满族在线

 找回密码
 马上加入
查看: 2846|回复: 8

国学精髓——存天理,灭人欲

[复制链接]
发表于 2020-7-13 17:58:39 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 内务府正白旗 于 2020-7-13 18:36 编辑

本帖子中包含更多资源

您需要 登录 才可以下载或查看,没有帐号?马上加入

x
发表于 2020-7-14 09:55:17 | 显示全部楼层
这种所谓新拉丁转写,最大的缺点恐怕就是满语字母和拉丁字母没有一一对应,很多处“y“和“w”都省略了。所以你那个

mukiyebuki

还是没写对。给写成了

mukiiebuki。

而且这些儒家经典里的带有指示性的段落,都用动词的命令式。如《御制翻译论语》里“患所以立”,就是

adarame ilire de jobo
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 2020-7-14 10:20:22 | 显示全部楼层
灭的原意是革除,去掉。
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 2020-7-14 10:27:33 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lyzdude 于 2020-7-14 10:56 编辑

是不是精髓,难说。不过这几个字,似乎引出的疑问,比它所解答的还有多。何为天理?何为人欲?儒家理论中,最大的天理,莫过于三纲了吧。至于人欲,恐怕就是对各种自己 sulfan 的追求,leolen i sulfan,tacihiyan i sulfan, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

那个 suwayan sara 所代表的,究竟是哪一边呢?

As for the halal sign, it's even more ironic.  The hadith calls the death penalty for blasphemers, apostates and atheists.  It got me twice in this.  There are over a dozen countries (including Malaysia) that have codified laws enacting these parts of the hadith, punishments for those "crimes" include canning and jail terms.  I have been countries where atheists are punishable by death.  I guess I have committed capital crimes with my thoughts.  Thought crime, that's totalitarianism defined.  Honestly, is one of the sacred texts of islam, the hadith, among other things, consistent with the freedoms of expression, religion, etc?  I must say, the irony is at your expense.

Also, if the halal symbol is sacred for you, then does it cheapen it, make it really banal, to put it on EVERYTHING?  Moreover, I don't think islam and cartoons go well together, maybe just a lesson from history.

I am not singling out islam either.  I don't think any idea of worship, uncritical praise or genuflecting abjection at the feet of any authority (political or religious) is consistent with liberty.  Thus judaism is not condusive to liberty, neither is christianity, neither is islam, neither is any religion made out of worshiping the leader/state (like in dulimbai gurun or amargi coohiyan).  That's why the only way to truly have liberty is to have a secular democracy with a godless constitution.

But anyway, you certainly have your leolen i sulfan, you can put whatever symbol on whatever picture your create, if you don't mind looking silly in the process.
回复

使用道具 举报

 楼主| 发表于 2020-7-15 12:38:43 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 内务府正白旗 于 2020-7-15 12:40 编辑
lyzdude 发表于 2020-7-14 09:55
这种所谓新拉丁转写,最大的缺点恐怕就是满语字母和拉丁字母没有一一对应,很多处“y“和“w”都省略了。所 ...

在拉丁版中,y和w是有意省略的,音素文字没有必要继承汉语的切音。如果你说的是传统版的iye看起来像iie,那是满族空间在线输入法的显示结果。多谢指出儒家经典译文应该用较为不客气的命令式(没有ki)
回复

使用道具 举报

 楼主| 发表于 2020-7-15 12:39:35 | 显示全部楼层
mansiukai 发表于 2020-7-14 10:20
灭的原意是革除,去掉。

  我翻译成“熄灭”Mukiebumbi (欲望之火)
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 2020-7-16 08:01:26 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 mansiukai 于 2020-7-16 08:08 编辑

除去非分之想而矣。修心养心。
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 2020-7-16 10:28:57 | 显示全部楼层
内务府正白旗 发表于 2020-7-15 12:38
在拉丁版中,y和w是有意省略的,音素文字没有必要继承汉语的切音。如果你说的是传统版的iye看起来像iie, ...

Есе ниқан гисүны ешеме ачабуҳа хергены адали ақу. Манжу херген де, "иіа" жаи "үве"де І жаи В акучи, "ин" жаи "үн" де дендеме мүтере ақу. Сины беіе арафи туачи омби.

Esenikan gisun i exeme acabuha hergen i adali akv. Manju hergen de, "iya" jai "uwe" de Y jai W akvci, "in" jai "un" de dendeme mutere akv. Sini beye arafi tuwaci ombi.
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 2020-7-16 10:57:50 | 显示全部楼层
lyzdude 发表于 2020-7-14 09:55
这种所谓新拉丁转写,最大的缺点恐怕就是满语字母和拉丁字母没有一一对应,很多处“y“和“w”都省略了。所 ...

Тақтуы ежен "ладино херген" жаи "ладино форғошома арара" бе дендере үнде. Бе баиталараӈға гемү "ладино форғошоме арара", асу афаҳа де илира манжу херген бе туабума мүтере ақуы жалин. Асу афаҳа де илира манжу херген бе туабума мүтечи би үжүы манжу хергены манжу гисүн бе арамби.

Taktui ejen "ladino hergen" jai "ladino forgoxome arara" be dendere unde. Be baitalarangga gemu "ladino forgoxome arara", asuafaha de ilira manju hergen be tuwabume mutere akv i jalin. Asu afaha de ilira manju hergen be tuwabume muteci bi ujui manju hergen i manju gisun be arambi.
回复

使用道具 举报

您需要登录后才可以回帖 登录 | 马上加入

本版积分规则

小黑屋|客户端|Archiver|满族在线 |赞助本站

GMT+8, 2020-10-24 08:13 , Processed in 3.625000 second(s), 36 queries , Gzip On, MemCache On.

Powered by Discuz! X3.4

Copyright © 2001-2020, Tencent Cloud.

快速回复 返回顶部 返回列表